Posts by Justitia Themis

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Looking For 2012 cdrom Thread and Quote Re: WTS 'Carefully Researches Info'

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i thought i marked these two threads for future reference, but apparently i did not.. #1) 2012 cdrom:.

i am looking for the cdrom thread.

also, is anyone willing to get me a hard copy of the cdrom?

Justitia Themis

Thanks 88JM!

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Quote Re: Elders Whose Kids Go To College Might Lose Privileges

by Justitia Themis in

i seem to remember some new 'rule' that elders whose children go to college, or perhaps it was out-of-state college, should be carefully examined to see if they still qualify.. does anyone know where that is in the publications?.

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I seem to remember some new 'rule' that elders whose children go to college, or perhaps it was out-of-state college, should be carefully examined to see if they still qualify.

Does anyone know where that is in the publications?

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Watchtower Library 2012 - download

by BlindersOff1 in

http://depositfiles.com/files/spvmcrmks.

know how to use an .iso file to do the install?.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+mount+an+iso.

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Looking For 2012 cdrom Thread and Quote Re: WTS 'Carefully Researches Info'

by Justitia Themis in

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friends

i thought i marked these two threads for future reference, but apparently i did not.. #1) 2012 cdrom:.

i am looking for the cdrom thread.

also, is anyone willing to get me a hard copy of the cdrom?

Justitia Themis

Thanks all! Cedars, it was your thread I saw...thanks!

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Looking For 2012 cdrom Thread and Quote Re: WTS 'Carefully Researches Info'

by Justitia Themis in

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friends

i thought i marked these two threads for future reference, but apparently i did not.. #1) 2012 cdrom:.

i am looking for the cdrom thread.

also, is anyone willing to get me a hard copy of the cdrom?

Justitia Themis

Hello all:

I thought I marked these two threads for future reference, but apparently I did not.

#1) 2012 cdrom:

I am looking for the cdrom thread. Also, is anyone willing to get me a hard copy of the cdrom? If so, please email me. I am writing a paper, and I suspect I will need the hard copy for citation documentation purposes.

#2) Recent quote:

Also, someone recently posted a quote from the WTS to the effect that JWs can rely upon the infomation they write because 'they carefully research it for accuracy.'

I can't seem to find either of these threads. Does anyone know where they are located?

Thanks

JT

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Are homosexuals born that way? The March 15 Watchtower seems to say so.

by matt2414 in

15 one brother who was raised in a christian household wrote that for as long as he could remember, he struggled with homosexual tendencies.

he said: i always felt awkward.

it seemed that i didnt fit in anywhere.

Justitia Themis

Where the difference comes into play and distinguished is what social behavior is induced solely upon genetic reproduction and what behavior is induced from no biological basis

Again, I disagree. That's the point. The origin of the 'sin'--external (social) or internal (genetics)--is irrelvant to their argument.

If one accepts that premise, the rest of the argument flows. Since the rest of the argument flows, it is persuasive to those who are not adept at challenging premises.

HS is a sin, regardless of whether it originates via nature (genetics) or nuture (social factors).

Good Christians shun those who sin.

X is a HS

Therefore, good Christians must shun X.

The only flaw in that logic is the premise...of course, that is a BIG flaw!

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Are homosexuals born that way? The March 15 Watchtower seems to say so.

by matt2414 in

15 one brother who was raised in a christian household wrote that for as long as he could remember, he struggled with homosexual tendencies.

he said: i always felt awkward.

it seemed that i didnt fit in anywhere.

Justitia Themis

He told me that the hardest thing for him in the marriage, was that in spite of his 'love' for this girl, he found it so hard to have sex, and that created a difference between them. How often, he says, he laid awake at night, with a coldness between himself and his wife, willing himself to have an erection, and it just did not work.

I thought I wasn't 'pretty enough.' In hindsight, I realize I was hottie...but I never felt that way.

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Are homosexuals born that way? The March 15 Watchtower seems to say so.

by matt2414 in

15 one brother who was raised in a christian household wrote that for as long as he could remember, he struggled with homosexual tendencies.

he said: i always felt awkward.

it seemed that i didnt fit in anywhere.

Justitia Themis

If HS is a result of original sin, then all human biological imperfections are also products of original sin, on that basis HS should be accepted

I have to disagree with that. Their (and the other denominations who use this) logic flows correctly after their flawed premise.

The Bible clearly indicates that sin-induced behaviors are to be fought, not accepted. (Of course, this works only if you believe the Bible reflects sky-daddy's conclusions) Those who insist on committing gross, sin-induced behaviors (extreme violence, sexual immorality, murder, thievery) must be shunned.

Employing your logic, society would be proscribed from convicting and incarcertaing violent persons who have the 'felony gene.' Instead, we would be bound to 'accept' them as they are. However, I see a counter-argument that HS impacts only the willing whereas violence harms the unwilling.

JWs aren't the only use to use this silly stuff. LOL! I was unfriended on facebook by two of my husband's co-workers who are uber-Christians because I support abortion.

Abortion=murder;

JT supports abortion=JT supports murder;

Good Christians don't hang with supporters of murder=JT gets unfriended.

Screwing up the woman they did marry

sigh...the collateral damage is tragic. I think I belong in the collateral damage column. : ( ...just coming to terms with that...

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Are homosexuals born that way? The March 15 Watchtower seems to say so.

by matt2414 in

15 one brother who was raised in a christian household wrote that for as long as he could remember, he struggled with homosexual tendencies.

he said: i always felt awkward.

it seemed that i didnt fit in anywhere.

Justitia Themis

The remaining question presents itself, how does something that is genetically created in humans become something that is recognized to be a sin?

Yes, the WTS can make the argument that it is, thereby keeping it a disfellowshipping offense.

WTS could argue that people are genetically prone to multiple bad behaviors, such as anger/violence. I remember reading several articles in a Genetics 400 class about the 'felon gene,' i.e., prisoners who have a genetic predisposition to violence. I believe they started the study with the Hatfield and McCoys, really...I'm not joking, but I don't know the present status of the research. Yet, predisposition or not, felonious acts are inexcusable.

The WTS can make a similar claim related to homosexuality, and a good number of Christian religions make the same argument.

In sum, being a homosexual is not bad, but performing homosexual acts is. (per them--not me).

Why would he give homosexuals these strong, innate desires and then expect them not to fulfill them

They would make the claim that God didn't "create" the genetic predisposition; instead, it is a by-product of genetic degradation due to inherited sin. That places it on par with any run-of-the-mill personal failing/sin.

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w92 7/15: "It is the obligation of all JWs to hate apostates"

by cedars in

today i was doing some research for a new article, and i came across the following quote which succeeded in raising my eyebrows.... "the obligation to hate lawlessness also applies to all activity by apostates.

our attitude toward apostates should be that of david, who declared: 'do i not hate those who are intensely hating you, o jehovah, and do i not feel a loathing for those revolting against you?

with a complete hatred i do hate them.

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